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Offline pichulec

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To filter or not to filter??
« on: September 13, 2019, 23:17:48 »
To filter or not to filter??  Of course to filter. What is the point to have a bike, to sit in traffic?? No way!! Music video for old school rock fans, but not limited to :)

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Re: To filter or not to filter??
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2019, 23:57:06 »
Too fast. Filtering is walking pace.
Look at the clock and the calendar.
It'll never be now again.
So just get out and do it.
As fast as you possibly can.

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Re: To filter or not to filter??
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2019, 00:09:53 »
As the speed Meister Brockett the Rocket says a bit too fast for the speed of the traffic.
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Re: To filter or not to filter??
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2019, 00:39:16 »
It is only impression... I am slow as turtle if you compare to some others I see everyday. If I would filter 5-10-15mph I wouldn't get home in 1 hour. Normally it takes me from 15 to 25min depending of traffic conditions. I am not proud of this but it is what it is. Even my IAM observer said that if I would commute with IAM rules I wouldn't go anywhere.
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Re: To filter or not to filter??
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2019, 07:27:31 »
I don't see the point of having a bike and not filtering, especially if you're commuting. I had to filter the entire way around Manchester on the M60 yesterday as it was gridlocked. I'd probably still be there now if I didn't filter. Only one car actively blocked me, but most seemed unaware of me. Of course it's always nice when cars move slightly over to let you pass.

One thing I did notice when following a bike with a loud exhaust was the cars parted for him on approach, where as with me behind him on the silent Glee they were all oblivious to my approach (I'd pulled out of his way hearing him approach too but he filtered much quicker than what I do so he soon vanished).

I'm not commenting on speed in your video as although it looks quick, it's hard to know how fsst you're going and how you're covering brakes etc. Personally I won't filter beyond a set speed to surrounding traffic, and I rejoin the lane once traffic is moving.

(Good music choice by the way  :thumb:)

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Re: To filter or not to filter??
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2019, 09:47:32 »
I filter on my way home always when I am on an early shift as the traffic is too heavy in rush hour.
I do not go faster than 20 mph and move over when the turbo scooters come flying through.

There is a stated case in court where a rider was convicted for without due care (I can't remember the name) and it was stated that anything above 20 mph when filtering you are creating another lane.
Even when I do filter at 20 mph I am still going faster than the cagers at a standstill and you never  know when that idiot will decide to change lanes without looking.
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Re: To filter or not to filter??
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2019, 12:27:05 »
I had to do a large amount of filtering once past Cardiff when going to the Wales meet last month.

The road legal aftermarket exhaust on mine did help a lot, coming on and off the power provided enough noise to know something was coming, mainly truck drivers and non-male drivers in SUV's were the ones that stopped progress.

The cars were either stationary, start/stop or moving up to 10mph, I did between 20 and 35mph in these cases so the speed difference was not too high.
Once the traffic got up to 35mph, I just joined the lane.

Was shocked though when a biker went by me at 50 with traffic nearly stationary - at that speed you have no time to respond to cars moving around etc.

Also saw a few bikes with large panniers not getting anywhere...
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Re: To filter or not to filter??
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2019, 17:05:42 »
You have to filter.

I'll post up one of my commuting vids one day.  lol

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Re: To filter or not to filter??
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2019, 17:35:13 »
Yes definitely have to filter  :thumb: you seem to have very heavy traffic for your commute, you are obviously confident and used to filtering so seemed OK to me ( me being a country bumpkin not much call for filtering  lol) when I do I am only to aware of lane changers😱





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Re: To filter or not to filter??
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2019, 17:45:34 »
Filtering is not mentioned in the Road Traffic Act so therfore is not illegal, but not being mentioned does not make it Legal.
Police can and will prosecute if the manner of riding is considered in their professional opinion careless or dangerous.

Insurance companies usually will impose at least 50% of the blame on the rider in the event of an accident when the rider has been filtering.
Even if not filtering at the time it goes to the riders state of mind and riding behaviour, taking risks and not riding appropriate according to the Road Traffic Act. (Insurance companies consider filtering as a illegal at it's not mentioned)

I will happily filter when the traffic is slow, but with caution and I pull back in around junctions as its far too likely for someone to move out of lane 1 to leave room for traffic to pull on (more likely lane 2 is moving 0.02mph faster)

After traffic speeds increase to 30mph I will get into a lane. And I'll never filter more than 15mph over what the traffic is doing. Even then you little time to react.
I do filter with wide panniers, I've never hit anything with them, but sometimes cars will have to pull out of my way as I don't like to sit and wait for some woman in a Chelsea tractor to finish doing her makeup in a queue of traffic.
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Loud cans (mine are very loud) do sod all to attract attention of those ahead of you.
Your exhaust is pointed rearwards and so the majority of the sound waves travel away from the bike to the rear.

Most of the time a car driver will be made aware of your presence via exhaust sound with just enough time to look out the side window as you go past at 10mph (over their speed).

An awful lot of drivers are so wrapped up in what they are thinking, txting, changing radios to notice sirens and big blue flashy lights.
Do for a moment think they will in anyway be alerted to your presance with a slightly noisey motorbike.

Loud cans do not in fact save lives... they just piss off your neighbours.
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Re: To filter or not to filter??
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2019, 21:00:27 »
 lol Mr.diver.

Will have to agree to dis-agree from my recent experience  :thumb:, it was stop/start traffic on a hot day so some windows were down etc. - I would not have got through so easily with a quiet bike.

I think there is an amount of reverberation /resonance from an exhaust when moving between the vehicles??

But, yes we filter otherwise we'd be bored shiteless in cars all the time lol
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Re: To filter or not to filter??
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2019, 21:53:12 »
I'd also add I heard the faster bike approaching from behind before I saw him and he was some way off & moving at speed. That was over the music I was listening to and the earplugs I was wearing. Watching the cars part for that bike before he got to them was the opposite of what they did to me when I was passing several seconds later. Not sure I could listen to the drone of loud pipes though...

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Re: To filter or not to filter??
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2019, 08:19:44 »
I used to ride with baffles out but my neighbours didn't really liked so I was kind of forced to put them back. What I noticed, with baffles out, cars were spreading ahead of me faster than now, but now is still not bad, I use flood lights to show my presence - they always on.
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Re: To filter or not to filter??
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2019, 14:48:43 »