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Offline skinny5216

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Re: A warning to all Glee owners please read!!!
« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2013, 16:52:06 »
Shit That's bad. How many miles have you done for that to occur. I think I will be in the garage tonight looking for this. What have they done so it doesn't happen again.

Good to know you got it sorted.

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Re: A warning to all Glee owners please read!!!
« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2013, 19:38:56 »
I checked the wiring harness wiring of the Glee compared to the Wee. The wiring in that area is identical. The harness is not subject to any movement there. I would conclude this is a very unusual situation as such an incident in that area has never, to my knowledge, been previously reported on a Wee.  It's possible a crimped connection in that area was not done well and the marginal connection created enough heat to melt through the insulation and cause other wires to contact the frame. I would say on closer inspection it looks like heat damage rather than abrasion.

I would put this down as a rare occurrence. I have seen wiring harnesses that had similar damage in other areas due to water, especially salt water, cause corrosion of crimped wires. Worriers can get out the ACF-50 to protect wiring against corrosion.
Pat- 2007 DL650A was ridden to all 48 contiguous states. 2012 DL650A outlasted me.
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Re: A warning to all Glee owners please read!!!
« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2013, 20:24:58 »
This occurred at about 13,000 miles. The whole loom is being replaced, as is the battery,and the engine oil (due to the misfire, they say), the paint on the frame will be retouched. The dealer also plans to fit some protection to prevent a recurrence. Should be good as new. With luck this will be a one off and won't happen to anyone else.

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Re: A warning to all Glee owners please read!!!
« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2013, 20:26:20 »
where the wiring loom has been rubbing was there not a problem with the weld or a burr of some sort, took the side panel off to get a better look at mine and the loom is only just missing that section of frame, the weld and the frame appear to be smooth. What has the dealer done differently for you when he has fitted the new one. :shrug:
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Edit: thank just seen your post while doing this.  Glad you have got it all sorted... :thumb:

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Re: A warning to all Glee owners please read!!!
« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2013, 20:28:39 »
Hello Fatbelly, thank you for posting the pictures. I can see clearly now where the problem was. I take Greywolf's point that situation may have been due to a marginal connection causing heat damage. When I inspected my wiring loom this evening it was rock solid and very difficult to move away from the frame cross member it was resting on. I looked closely at the tape binding the loom and there may have been the early stages of wear but it was difficult to tell, and the bike is still low mileage. However, because I am risk averse I decided to do some remedial work. Too late for you I know but others may want to consider this.

1st Pic, I got hold of a soft rubber bicycle handlebar grip and split it down the middle with a craft knife.

2nd Pic, I removed the two bolts and two pop-out panel connectors from the black side panel and prised it away from the bike.

3rd Pic, I fed the flattened handlebar grip from underneath the bike pushing it forward up and over the offending cross member and underneath the wiring loom. I then cable tied it at the forward position, in front of the fuel tank rear support.

4th Pic, working under the bike again I cable tied the rear of the handlebar grip making sure I didn't tie anything else to the loom.

5th Pic, I trimmed the cable ties and put the side cover fastenings back. This is what the installation looks like from underneath when all is back together again.


If I get a problem now at least I should have eliminated the loom being chafed by the frame.

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Re: A warning to all Glee owners please read!!!
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2013, 21:05:23 »
looks good, still got my old grips I removed when I fitted the heated grips, will probably have a go at the weekend. :thumb:

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Re: A warning to all Glee owners please read!!!
« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2013, 21:06:52 »
not Sunday old chap,,,,    :auto-dirtbike:  :auto-dirtbike:  :auto-dirtbike:

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Re: A warning to all Glee owners please read!!!
« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2013, 10:09:01 »
Good job, Stromboy, that should do the trick. It seems that some have less clearance than others. I'm glad it seems this is not a universal problem.

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Re: A warning to all Glee owners please read!!!
« Reply #28 on: February 07, 2013, 15:30:39 »
They should all rest on the frame. Really though, after checking mine and an earlier model, I don't see abrasion being a problem. There is no movement to wear away anything and all Stroms have the harness resting on the frame. I have seen other cases of a crimp joint in the area going bad from water entry and melting insulation. I'll bet that's what happened in this case and the heat melted insulation allowed wires to contact the frame and short out. The OP even mentioned riding in the rain when it happened and salt may have also been involved. I'll bet the mechanics jumped to a conclusion about abrasion and that really was not the cause.

http://www.stromtrooper.com/v-strom-ser ... -wire.html shows such a problem that did not get as bad and the article refers to another instance I remember but couldn't find. The reference to a 2005 problem was a wire abrasion problem, not a failed crimp problem and was much further back in the harness.
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Re: A warning to all Glee owners please read!!!
« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2013, 15:59:21 »
Mmmmm the occasional rough running symptoms that cure themselves sound a lot like my problem, combined with the injector errors I've been getting for the past couple of years a guess a stripdown session is due at Easter...

Oh and regarding dodgy crimps there is one in the same place on the right side - not sure what it does but it's a think orange wire and is always live.  It's similarly vulnerable to water but seemed tight enough on my bike.  I know it's always live as I stuck a pin in it... and won't be doing that again.....


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Re: A warning to all Glee owners please read!!!
« Reply #30 on: February 07, 2013, 16:04:26 »
Sticking a pin in something to find out if it's alive is a time Honoured method.

Shouldn't that be honoured?
Pat- 2007 DL650A was ridden to all 48 contiguous states. 2012 DL650A outlasted me.
Nicknames I use to lessen typing, Vee = 2002-2012 (K2-L2) DL1000s. Veek=2014+ (L4+) DL1000s. Wee = 2004-2011 (K4-L1) DL650s. Glee = 2012+ (L2+) DL650s

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Re: A warning to all Glee owners please read!!!
« Reply #31 on: February 07, 2013, 16:07:48 »
It's a bloomin' painful method....burned the tip of my finger off.... :limp:


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Re: A warning to all Glee owners please read!!!
« Reply #32 on: February 07, 2013, 17:10:21 »
Greywolf's Causality Theory (sounds a bit like Enstein's Theory of Relativity) may well be correct. Each time the symptoms appeared the bike had just had a thorough soaking and the first time it ran OK after it dried out. It's entirely possible that it melted the insulation and caused the short, rather than rubbed the insulation and shorted causing the heat.

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Re: A warning to all Glee owners please read!!!
« Reply #33 on: February 20, 2013, 11:04:41 »
Quote from: "Strommer"
... I know it's always live as I stuck a pin in it... and won't be doing that again.....

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That one made me laugh out loud. Nice one Strommer.
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Re: A warning to all Glee owners please read!!!
« Reply #34 on: February 20, 2013, 13:31:26 »
Excellent post!

I'll have a look at this later on...

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Re: A warning to all Glee owners please read!!!
« Reply #35 on: February 20, 2013, 14:03:52 »
Aha! I see the Americanism filter is now handling h*o*n*o*r*e*d.
Pat- 2007 DL650A was ridden to all 48 contiguous states. 2012 DL650A outlasted me.
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Re: A warning to all Glee owners please read!!!
« Reply #36 on: February 20, 2013, 14:40:43 »
GW, you need to get back to the fold, the parent pack that is. All can be forgiven for those who repent    :angelic-yellow:

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Re: A warning to all Glee owners please read!!!
« Reply #37 on: February 20, 2013, 17:37:02 »
I thought Lend-Lease and VIII Bomber Command evened the score.
Pat- 2007 DL650A was ridden to all 48 contiguous states. 2012 DL650A outlasted me.
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Re: A warning to all Glee owners please read!!!
« Reply #38 on: February 20, 2013, 17:57:08 »

Almost - but you lads then went on to rebuild Germany all brand-new, while we had to compete with them economically using crumbling victorian-period factories and machinery and dilapidated infrastructure...Why Oh Why did we bother even winning??

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Re: A warning to all Glee owners please read!!!
« Reply #39 on: February 20, 2013, 18:00:25 »
I've long maintained the best way to uplift a country is to lose a war to the USA. See "The Mouse that Roared".
Pat- 2007 DL650A was ridden to all 48 contiguous states. 2012 DL650A outlasted me.
Nicknames I use to lessen typing, Vee = 2002-2012 (K2-L2) DL1000s. Veek=2014+ (L4+) DL1000s. Wee = 2004-2011 (K4-L1) DL650s. Glee = 2012+ (L2+) DL650s