Suzuki V-Strom (VStrom) Owners Club DL250, DL650 & DL1000

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Title: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: trotts on December 09, 2017, 19:29:14
I returned from Spain on my Bike after 3 weeks tour early October on a Thursday.
The following Monday I rode and deposited my Bike at the home of DELKEVIC Exhausts  near Stoke On Trent where my bike was entrusted to them to fabricate and make a decat system for the Veek. (DL1000)  It was returned to me a few days ago, having been with them for about 8 weeks.  I had no issues with this and I was kept well informed all along the process.

Either way I now have the first V Strom 1000 with a Decat system from delkevic along with a rather nice 320mm Tri Oval end can.  The cat is ditched.  The dyno readings are rather nice, better Torque up by about 15% and similar BHP readings.  It looks fantastic, sounds great.  Wanted to give it a run this weekend but dire weather has stopped me, will post some images up.

The only competition they have is from Arrow.  A few on this site  have the Arrow system  and I was going for this until I lent my Bike to Delkevic.   What I do know is the Arrow decat pipe  alone is around £340.  I am not sure what Delkevic will be charging, but I am certain it is far less than this price, and makes it a truly viable addition.  Watch this space for more information. 
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: wurzel on December 09, 2017, 19:41:33
Have they put a power commander on and set it up?
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: Paz324 on December 09, 2017, 20:12:26
Quote removed

Knowing Delkevic no they haven't, they try to argue that they setup their systems on a dyno but seeing as DK motorcycles in stoke don't even own a dyno I find it hard to believe do they much R&D apart from copy Motad/OE exhaust systems..
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: trotts on December 09, 2017, 20:21:12
My Bike went in with a PCFC already on it.  :)

 They had it so long, not only for the fabricating of the decat pipe, and then the making of it from the factory in stainless,  but of course all the dyno runs.  I supplied it to them with a stock can; and I am aware they did countless dyno runs  in many different combinations. But in simple terms 'yes' you will need a Power commander Dynojet (Fuel controller or V).  Delkevic are  a Dynojet  approved centre and I have little doubt, as and when 'marketed', there will be an attractive package, but wait and see :grin:.  I will post up some links on 'You tube soon when you can see my Veek on the dyno runs ! 

I recall speaking with you here a while back about your Bike.
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: trotts on December 09, 2017, 20:22:26
Knowing Delkevic no they haven't

Think they are, they are approved Dynojet centre.  I also spoke with Dynojet HO in Preston.  I also have the dynojet maps.
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: wurzel on December 09, 2017, 20:28:05
   Sounds a good system mate, getting rid of the cat and exhaust valve makes a good difference.
I am back with the stock end can but decat exhaust, running a pc, power at the top has dropped from a straight through can, but it still has the bottom end and mid range gains that I gained on the full conversion.
   I'm looking forward to seeing the pictures and results.
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: Paz324 on December 09, 2017, 21:26:57
Think they are, they are approved Dynojet centre.

They must be doing the work off site then because they don't even advertise the service on their website, and Dynojet have dealers listed which aren't even in business anymore so I'd take that list with a pinch of salt..
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: trotts on March 04, 2018, 19:39:00
Well, hoping to get beast out until a foot of snow fell here, looks like have to wait a bit longer. :groan:

My Bike has been sorned over the winter I normally get bike back on road about this time.  Still cannot comment on how it rides, but it looks great and sounds great .  I will report back in a few weeks for sure
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: SuzukiSte on March 04, 2018, 21:24:03
Looks great :thumb: :text-goodpost:
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: philthunder on April 12, 2018, 22:49:23
They had it so long,

They need it that long to have the bits fabricated from China !
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: kwackboy on April 13, 2018, 19:26:26
For my pennies worth , after much grovelling negotiation delkavic supplied me with one of their first ever decat downpipes for my Honda CB500f  (I already had their link pipe and silencer) and I'm well impressed.
No power commander needed and I've noticed a little more power over most of the rev range with the added bonus of weight loss of around 6kg and some nice noise. 
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: ZipcodeUK on May 08, 2018, 22:53:52
not delkevic, but I'm running arrow headers, powercommmader and o2 sensor removal plugs and all I can say is the DL1000 vstrom comes alive!! The entire rev range now works..... before it felt like anything from 6.5k rev just made more vibration and noise but no more power. Now it pulls happily to the limiter and the pull is there the whole way through.  I love this damn bike even more now!
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: trotts on July 19, 2018, 21:31:22
Bike back on the road after ‘winter’ break since April and put on a 1000 miles with a few decent trips.  Good chance to test out the new system.

No issue of note.  The bike certainly runs far better than before and the mid range is  just great now.  The spot between 3 - 6K revs through the gears is remarkably improved and the Dyno chart speaks volumes.

I was again lucky in that Dynojet UK (nr Preston)  wanted my Bike and they mapped it for me so they can have the ‘map’ saved  on their data base.  I made a weekend of the 450 mile round trip.   Not only has performance improved  but MPG is now perhaps 10% better from the low 50’s MPG up to around 60.  I run with a Power commander Fuel controller.  I do think this or a PC V is a must to get the fuelling right. (same if you go down the Arrow route)

I believe that in the next few weeks you will see this on the Delkavic web site (not yet on) as of 19/7 but they have by all accounts been upgrading the Web site.   It will be interesting to see what it retails at.  I understand they will also provide a ‘’Servo buddy’ as part of the package that is needed to prevent Fi light coming on. 

The dyno chart is as it is now.  The red line is how it came back to me and the Blue line what Dynojet achieved. You will see the A/F is spot on and a great Torque curve. 
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: trotts on July 19, 2018, 21:36:29
They need it that long to have the bits fabricated from China !

True, but my Apple I phone is made in China, as almost everything else these days! The global world a  :shrug:
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: wurzel on July 20, 2018, 00:53:04
Respectable gains there over a stock system, and yes, a servo buddy is the way to keep the fi  light from coming on, as well as the correct 02 sensor blanking plugs.
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: trotts on August 30, 2018, 21:09:57
Update.  At last it seems that delkavic have got act together and are now advertising the Decat pipe and a choice of end cans for the V strom 1000 2014-2018.

You will see the price varies depending on which end pipe you select, but the price has surprised me, they are far cheaper than I thought they would retail at.  If you follow the links you can see my actual Bike on a rolling road  when they were setting it all up at the end of last year.  being run up with different end cans on same.

I was led to believe, and this will need clarifying with delkavic, that they were also going to supply a Servo Buddy, that is needed, to prevent the F.I light from coming on.  I am aware that normally this Gizmo is about £40:00 and you can find them advertised on flea bay. 

I have done around 2000 miles on mine this summer (another 3,000 planned next month around Switzerland and Italy ye ha  :lala:)

Every where I have been other Bikers have commented on how nice my V strom sounds. That is with the baffle in and to be honest to remove it would make it no longer a decent tourer. The drone would be too much for my ancient ears to bear even with plugs.

The performance (as I eluded to on an earlier post in the thread) is far sharper. crispness of the throttle and extra performance where it counts, and even better MPG.  High 50’s not an issue, and getting on for 200 miles for fill ups.

I am lucky in that mine was ‘free’ as the test bike.  I feel that if you want a decent upgrade to enjoy your bike this is worth a look. 

you will also note from an earlier post in this thread I run with a Power Commander fuel controller so I know it is perfect in regards to fuelling that is demonstrated by the dyno chart  also posted.

I have always had these with my bikes (Power commander of PCFC) as aware they really get fuelling right, an always successfully sold when bike eventually moves on.

worthy of a look if your considering a new end can and want to go a bit further !

https://delkevic.co.uk/s/Suzuki/DL1000%20V%20STROM%20/2018
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: wurzel on August 31, 2018, 02:05:10
Those are very good prices.
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: porter on August 31, 2018, 16:36:26
Can you buy the header pipes on their own? I already have a remus end can and like to use the oe while touring, will they fit.
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: Paz324 on August 31, 2018, 16:58:35
If I were you I'd contact Delvekic and ask them directly, I'd be surprised if they refused to sell the decat pipe without a silencer but I doubt its possible through the website at the moment as there's no listing for it.

You'll find their contact information and a webform for emailing them here (https://delkevic.co.uk/contact)
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: Relevant11 on August 31, 2018, 20:11:45
It’s almost too good to be true at that price, The whole set up for the price of an aftermarket end can ! For those who have gone down this route am I right in thinking you’ll need two O2 sensor blanking plugs a servo buddy, a power commander of either type and a dyno session to
make it sing. Anything I’ve missed ?
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: wurzel on August 31, 2018, 22:03:56
That about covers it unless you want yo do air box mods, I have and it gives a little bit more up top and is easy to do once the tank is off,but that's really probably not worth doing if I'm honest.
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: trotts on September 01, 2018, 14:18:09
Have I missed something?
No you have not.  I suspect that they will provide the Blanking plug(s).  If you read the small print on all their exhausts they imply you should always run on a dyno with any aftermarket can.  I am not any expert on this, but I would certainly want a Power Commander Fuel controller (loads cheaper than a PC V), but without all the extras you don not need with a PC V).  My advice is to ring Delkavic and perhaps ask to speak to Chris Spooner.  They might also have the Servo Buddy.   My Bike also went to Dynojet UK in Preston where they  did the Map for my bike (that is the graph shown in this thread) and they would put that map for you onto a PCFC or PC V.  Or you go to your local Dynojet dealer and they will download it for you at installation depending on your spanner skills if you plan to fit it yourself.
Good luck 
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: Paz324 on September 03, 2018, 14:29:28
Just spoke to Delvekic and in case anyone is interested they can sell just the de-cat pipe for £99.95 and that a servo buddy is necessary but not included in any of their prices.

@porter, I was informed that the original silencer might require modification to fit with this decat but I can't confirm anything until I've tried it myself.

I've made arrangements to visit their shop and have them fit this decat system to my 2018 model as they want to check for compatibility issues, so hopefully in the next few weeks I should be able to give some more information with dyno read outs from a completely stock bike.

Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: Relevant11 on September 03, 2018, 17:31:26
that's the route I hope to go down  as I already have a fuel end can, I'll be Keen to hear the outcome of this.
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: porter on September 03, 2018, 17:44:39
Sounds like the Delvekic header pipes might be different diameter than the oe. I'd not be interested if I couldn't use my remus can or the oe. I'll wait and see the outcome.
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: Relevant11 on September 03, 2018, 19:14:17
I'd be surprised if the headers are much different as Delkevic will have shot themselves in the foot ie can't sell their end cans  to fit Suzuki headers if you see what I mean .

Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: trotts on September 04, 2018, 21:56:33
Quote removed

When I delivered my bike up to them last year it went with a Fuel can on same.  After a few weeks I had a call and a request from Delkavic asking to collect the OE exhaust can. (if I still had it the OE exhaust, which I did)  It was then collected and went  off to Delkevic.

 I presume they must have tested it with the stock or why else would they have wanted it.   I would have thought the OE exhaust must surely fit on the decat pipe. I would be more then surprised if it did not.  A call would clarify this I am sure. 

My OE Cat and exhaust are in my garage attic and would volunteer to take some measurements but sadly off to Italy next weekend !! :haha:
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: wurzel on September 04, 2018, 22:02:52
I too would think they had made it to take the oem can, as arrow have on their decat pipe,worth a call to check.
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: Relevant11 on September 14, 2018, 13:07:46
A question gents, as a frequent traveller to the states I can pick up a pcfc over there for £60 less, same model number , am I missing something is there any reason it wouldn’t fit / work with the European DL1000 ?
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: TLPower on September 14, 2018, 16:38:15
Left hand drive? :shrug:
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: Relevant11 on September 14, 2018, 17:21:04
aah yes , good point !
   
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: Relevant11 on September 14, 2018, 17:24:12

  just to add I was quoted £159 for the de cat pipes not £99 , obviously spoke to the wrong person.
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: Paz324 on September 14, 2018, 17:44:28
Quote
The part number for the Delkevic de-cat is : PR2914 and is available from stock at £99.95 (Inc VAT).

Quote taken from my emails with them about my trial fitment on the 24th.
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: Relevant11 on September 14, 2018, 21:27:24
I shall quote your quote ????
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: TLPower on September 15, 2018, 06:30:07
Not on here if you value your knee caps, the Dark Lord doesn't like double quotes.

'Tis true. :)
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: Relevant11 on September 15, 2018, 10:42:47
 :bow-blue: :bow-blue:
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: trotts on September 21, 2018, 06:09:09
A question gents, as a frequent traveller to the states I can pick up a pcfc over there for £60 less, same model number , am I missing something is there any reason it wouldn’t fit / work with the European DL1000 ?

Bargain  :fix:  A call to Dynojet uk at Preston (head office) will confirm I suspect the obvious for peace of mind.  You never know they might match the USA price but of course I guess they have to pay the import duty ?  If you are getting a PCFC for a tad over £100 it's a steal :lala:
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: trotts on September 21, 2018, 06:29:39
Brief update.
I am currently sat on Lake Maggorie.  ( not literally) Italy, having ridden around 1000miles since leaving home over a  Week ago.

Ridden few Swiss mountain passes ( Furka, Grimmsel) and been blessed with perfect weather.  :) :) Been out and about as well.

The bike  and the Delkavic has been fine.  My mate is on Triumph Thunderbird 1700.  I leave him behind in the twisties .  He comments that when I open it up he hears the bark of my bike over his exhaust  and engine noise and tells me it sounds great without being offensive.  I do not notice this myself. Guess always the way. It's quite amusing that when parking up on the passes other bikers wonder over and have a look to see what I have got. (mainly Germans on GSers)

Have filled up 5 times best tank was 60mpg and worse was 54.  Think that's pretty respectable.

Heading home after weekend . 
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: Relevant11 on September 21, 2018, 08:34:01
Sounds like the perfect trip, yes a call to Dyno jet is probably a good idea, safe ride home.
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: Relevant11 on September 24, 2018, 20:21:23

  I've ordered the Delkevic decat pipe which will utilize the oem headers and fuel end can and will fit so I've been reliably informed .
  As it was such a beautiful day today and I wasn't working I couldn't resist a ride down to camber sands. I had disabled the exhaust butterfly valve and fitted the healtech servo buddy a couple of days ago and was interested to see if that would have much of an effect on its own.
  It was certainly throatier on the ride down but felt largely the same.
  However once on the gloriously deserted twisties around the army range I came up on a chap on a yellow Ducati  with matching leathers and  for educational purposes felt the need to observe his lines. This was when to my delight I discovered you could keep accelerating past  6 k in 3rd and the power didn't sign off as it had before.
  So I'm hoping once the whole jobs done I shall be a very happy chap !
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: Paz324 on September 24, 2018, 20:52:25
I had my decat fitted today but the USB memory stick I took with me didn't work so I need to wait until my dyno runs are emailed back to me before I can post them.

I was informed that I had a 3 Bhp increase with the standard silencer, can't remember what the torque increase was and never saw any print outs so I have no idea what the air/fuel ratio is like but I'll be sure to post an update once I have them.

Can't say for sure if I feel a difference yet but thanks to the weather I'm not sure if I'll get a chance to find out anytime soon.
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: Relevant11 on September 24, 2018, 21:00:08
Are you using a power commander of any type ?
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: Paz324 on September 24, 2018, 21:01:47
Bike was completely stock, no fuel controller or stupid air filters.
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: Paz324 on September 25, 2018, 13:17:52
Took some pictures to show how everything clamps up, couldn't find any blowing joints and I think the rear O2 sensor has been moved but I'm not sure.

The order goes, rear head, front head, Underneath, rear O2 sensor and finally stock silencer.

Still don't have my dyno info, I'll post those when I receive them.
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: Paz324 on September 25, 2018, 13:57:06
The dyno seems to suggest that my bike in stock form runs rich throughout most of the rev range and while I did see a bump of 3 Bhp @ 5000RPM the max power didn't really change, torque on the other hand appears much stronger than before.

Overall I'm happy with the experience I got from my ride home with the standard silencer fitted, its still a quiet bike but with a noticeably deeper rumble to the exhaust note.

During my ride home I thought the low end felt marginally smoother and less agricultural around the 3000 RPM range but now I can appreciate what that butterfly valve at the collector actually did for the smoothness of the throttle as I immediately noticed the throttle response was considerably sharper than before so any jerky motions I noticed previously became worse than I remembered but not so extreme that I couldn't learn to deal with it as by the time I got home I'd completely forgotten about it.

Definitely a happy customer, I can reccomend the decat pipe for stock bikes but until I go back to finish testing their various silencers for their youtube channel I can't say for sure if a fuel controller might be needed or not for aftermarket silencers.
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: Relevant11 on September 25, 2018, 15:17:27
Great pictures and good info  :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: Paz324 on September 25, 2018, 18:38:55
I've just noticed that colours for the lines on those charts have been switched so they may be difficult to read.

BHP Chart, RED = Delkevic, BLUE = Stock.

Torque Chart, RED = Stock, BLUE = Delkevic.

I chopped the header from the top and the notes off the bottom for posting as they become unreadable anyway with how small the pictures end up after the forum processes them.
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: Relevant11 on September 25, 2018, 20:11:04
I take it no problem with clearance on the centre stand .
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: Paz324 on September 25, 2018, 20:15:51
I wasn't made aware of any issues with my SW-Motech stand and I've used the stand a few times since with no problems or weird noises..
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: trotts on October 16, 2018, 21:48:45
Thought I would add an update and some general observations having put around 2000 miles on my Veek on a tour last month.  It was certainly a time to test out the Delkavic system and any issues that may have surfaced.

Pleased to say there were none. (not that I expected any)   The bike performed impeccably equally capable of few motorway blasts and the mountain passes and great  on those empty French country roads.  You will be aware from my previous posts that I am running with the baffle in (would not consider removing it).

I tour with ear plugs and no  issues with noise.  My touring partner who was on a T Bird would hear it ‘bark’ when I opened it up to pass slow moving vehicles, but not something I was aware of sitting on top of it.  The throttle response was so good that at say 70mpg in 6th at just under 4K revs  a slight twist and ‘off it would go’ past anything in a blink of an eye.   I did not recall my Bike being like that  last year, but who knows.   I guess really need to ride a stock one back to back. The Dyno chart I put on this thread a while back shows the figures and the torque line FWIW,  but they do equate to a really good ride.  When you consider the readings are at the back wheel and not the crank you see how good they are.

I was also really impressed by the excellent MPG figures and always ‘brimming’ the tank and working it out, the worst MPG per tank came in at 52.7 and the best 61.8 (10 fill ups).  It has not been detrimental to the bike at all having this mod done.

I see that some forum members are experimenting with a decat pipe and stock Can, and not using either a  Dynojet PCFC or PC ‘V’.    I look forward to hearing how you get on without a Power commander device.

The Pipe itself still looks great and the stainless mirror finish (320mm Tri oval)  has not discoloured at all. The decat link pipes have changed a bit but out  of sight under the bike.  Nothing blowing or falling off. :)

I note the have the decat link pipes now in ebay.

Also add that I have the Suzuki  center stand and everything fits underneath as it should !
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: jaydee1445 on February 10, 2019, 19:38:25
Definitely a happy customer,

 Any update on whether the Decat & muffler combo needs a fuel controller or is the claim  by Delkevic one isn't needed valid?
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: Paz324 on February 10, 2019, 20:17:00
I can only say for sure on my 2018 model and my answer is no, I'm more than happy to run the stock silencer with the decat without fuelling modifications.

If you run an aftermarket silencer and air filter though I'd say some kind of fuelling mod would be necessary otherwise you could be running the bike lean.
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: jaydee1445 on February 10, 2019, 22:48:34
I'm thinking trying to scrimp and save $220 is a fools economy A burnt valve or hole in a piston from running too lean isn't worth the risk. Everything is 20% of from Dynojet US netting me The PCFC $218.20 2 day Fedex to my door. I want a set and forget solution so the Power Commander seems to be overkill. I not a tuner trying to eek out the last HP. Mostly I want to shed a few lbs.
The de cat pipe w/ 18" oval carbon can, FC, and ESE comes in right at $650 USD on this side of the pond, in the neighbourhood of big name cans alone.
   
Title: Re: New for the V strom DL1000 2014- DELKEVIC Decat
Post by: jaydee1445 on August 11, 2019, 13:32:00
I rode with the full  decat system for about 1500 miles with out installing the Fuel Controller . I had intermittent stalling so I made the time to install the PCFC using the full Arrow decat map. Runs so good I haven't done anything else.