Suzuki V-Strom (VStrom) Owners Club DL250, DL650, DL1000 & DL1050
Other Stuff => The Blue Oyster bar => Traitors Corner => Topic started by: TLPower on May 06, 2018, 20:46:22
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To be more specific the 1190 Adventure. I've read about the early ones being ridden in dusty conditions not being happy, I've read about some having dash issues and also about the retro fitting of the 1290 starter motor to cure poor starting.
The dealers locally don't seem to have a good reputation though I'd service one myself.
Some fasteners seem to rot early which is either rather worrying or a sign of neglect.
Those issues apart I still really like them in the silver/grey colour scheme, I'm going to have a look at a couple tomorrow both are overpriced for mileage and age.
Many thanks TLP.
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No personal knowledge but I am tempted from time to time to change up to one so will be interested in your experience.
I would suggest the KTM forum, but it's riddled with bell ends would rather slag you off than help.
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Cheers Mr Nick, they do seem rather "unkind" to certain posters. This forum?
http://www.ktmforum.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=93
It all seems rather unnecessary and unseemly and not at all friendly.
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I have the 1290, a mate has the 1190 adventure bike, neither on high miles, but no problems either,they are high quality machines, generally reliable, I would be happy to buy another if I needed a new bike.
There are good dealers out there,just like any brand of bike,just have to sort the good from the bad.
They are an engaging bike to own, and will serve well,some love them,others don't 'get it'.
There are a lot of speed freek ego jockies on the forum, I don't bother with it anymore.
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There are a few blokes on that forum that know their KTMs, but, unless you can cope with little boys' willy fights, it's more work than it's worth to sift through the crap to get to the useful stuff. From what I picked up, it was run by a bloke with a few decent admins, like here, but he sold it to a magazine I think, and it went downhill soon after.
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I went to SMC in Sheffield to view a used 1190. My initial response was it's a giant of a 'bike. Whilst I was looking a salestype approached me and asked if I needed any help, he very kindly pulled it out of the line and left me to it.
I had a struggle to lift my leg high enough to clear the pillion hand holds, once on it was only my toes that touched the ground as the seat tank is rather wide. The bars though adjustable seemed miles away, the gear lever appeared to buried somewhere under the N/S and not at all easy to access. Raising the sidestand totally defeated me, it was way further forward and tucked further underneath than any other 'bike I've ever encounted.
The 1190 Adventure is without doubt a brilliant machine but I just don't fit it.
The demo 'bikes were a 1090 which on initial inspection appears to be built down to a price, the 1290 is vast and frankly hideous.
And expensive.
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I have test ridden the new 1290 and really liked it.
I bought a 990 SMT, new, and had it, trouble free, for six years.
What you get with KTM is a well built bike with good brakes, good suspension, good tyres and home servicing is easy.
You do not need to spend any money on upgrades.
They also hold their price very well.
I lost £1,000 on mine over six years of ownership.
When I come to sell my Honda I will be crying.
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Although I have never owned a KTM I get to ride a couple of my customers after I've serviced them, which is easy by the way.
They are a 990 superduke and 990 SMT, now I'm only 5.7 and a 29inch inside leg and both fit me well , the SMT being slightly better . Both are a serious weapon of a bike and make me smile massively so the need for a bigger cc version is pointless in my opinion but each to there own .
The only real issues I've come across with both is firstly the chain adjustment bolts in the swingarm ceize solid if not looked after , threads being stripped out on the oil filter covers, there are 2 filters and a sieve and not long ago I had to replace a complete stator due to a silly oil leak from the rubber grommet that the wires pass through , nothing would cure the leak.
The way I see KTMs is this . If you are handy around a spanner and able to maintain them, keep on top of maintenance and be super gentle with the weak cast threads on the engine you should be fine .
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There were, apparently, some instances of water getting into the swing arm. The fix was to drill a small hole in each side, underneath as far back as possible, to allow any water to drain. I never had any problems with the chain adjustment bolts.
Over-tightening of small bolts seems to be a common problem with all motorcycles and investment in a small scale torque wrench is essential.
I would not hesitate to have another KTM as they are, in my opinion, good quality and very easy to work on, everything is just so easy to get at.
Another bike worth a look is the Ducati Multistrada S, with the DVT engine. That is one hell of a bike.
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Can't disagree with any of that Kwak: one chain adjuster sheared on mine trying to move it. The swingarm does need a drain hole on each side at the wheel end as there was a good half pint of water in mine. Not going to tempt fate saying anything about the other issues....
I think I'm just conscious of the age of mine than a need for more poke - it is a hooligan: probably why I found the Veek to be a bit flat.
As far as side stand position & the like go; I found my Bandit to be awkward as hell, yet the 990 is natural to me. Just what fits you.
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After reading my last post again it seems I came across as being rather negative. With hindsight I really wanted to be able sit on the 'bike and it would fit like a glove, that in reality was never going to happen. I'm a stumpy 5'8 with stumpy 30" legs. In the 13 years I've had the Cagiva I have fitted different bars with up and back risers, made and fitted adjustable footpegs and had the seat remodelled for my stunted frame. I've also welded an additional lug onto the sidestand to make it easier to retract. As Mr Nick says it just fits.
I've also just found out the 1190 has an adjustable seat height, judging the location of the bars on this particular example the seat was probably in it's highest position hence the struggles.
Thank you so much everyone for taking the time to reply. :thumb:
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It also has adjustable bars and footrests so you should be able to get a position that suits you.
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I had some early KTM's such as an 2005 950 Adventure, 2006 950 SM and a 2010 690Enduro R. Of those the best overall bike was the Adventure. The most fun was the SM closely followed by the 690. In fact the SM was probably the most fun I ever had on a motorcycle.
The Adventure was relatively trouble free. The SM was also trouble free albeit it liked oil. The EFI system on the 690 was very troublesome and eventually was the cause of my getting rid of it.
I lost interest when (imho) KTM lost their way by producing motorcycles with vastly more power than they needed. The prices also put me off as did the more modern styling.
In my DL1000 I now have a good basic motorcycle with very useable power that won't bite me unless I do something stupid, and which I can improve as required with suspension mods.
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A 6am start saw me on my way Hemel Hempstead....
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2016 1190 Adventure 5040 miles.
It's being delivered on Wednesday.
( ### black wheels ###)
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A purchase eh? I hope it works out for you TLP :thumb:
I was looking for a small light bike that I could more easily wheel on and off a trailer. Starting with a 390 and maybe an older 690. Ha Ha bloody Ha. 33 inch Seat heights requires that I carry a small ladder even for the little one. Oh! well just what happens as I get :old:
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Nice one. Powder coat the wheels orange.
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And the spokes??
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They'll be orangey-brown soon enough if they're that special "motorcycle stainless"......
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:shock:
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And what fate for the Venerable Nail, Mr. Power?
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It's been added to a new multibike policy, so it's fate is secure.......for now.
The spokes on the new Nail2.0 shouldn't rust because they didn't originate in Japan, India probably. lol
I'd really like to keep old faithful if only to bequeath it to Power Junior as an Albatross, just like my late Dad left me and our kid a grandfather clock. :stirpot:
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Congratulations on the purchase and I know you will enjoy it.
I feel the need to purchase a 1290'S.
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Congrats on the new bike mate, you are just going to love that motor!
In my opinion the KTM v twins are the best out there, torque, tractability, outright power and thrust, and character, an intoxicating and easy to live with package.
The bikes, having their own quirks, as others with any character do, are of a high quality in build and individual components.
I shall be looking forward to how you get on with the bike, I'm sure you made a great choice!
I hanker after an 1190 myself, but having the 390 Duke, and the 1290 r, which is breathtaking, I can hardly justify one right now.
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After a short blat last Wednesday and a slightly longer run yesterday up to the rather giddy heights of the York, I have come to the conclusion that the 1190 Adventure is rather good.
I realise that 'bikes have become refined in the last 16 years, I foolishly thought that fitting a high end rear shock and updating the front forks on the Cagiva would be sufficient. This suspension added to the Suzuki TL engine provided an entertaining if rather crude method of travel.
The KTM without wishing to sound all gushing and over-effusive just does everything the Cagiva did only better.
Much, much better.
I'll start off with the engine, the fueling is light years ahead as it should be, the throttle does what modern bikes do and delivers power in small increments smoothly. It produces 73lb/ft of torque from just over 3000 rpm with 92lb/ft at 7800 rpm. Or one can choose a different setting and have instant death. This is called "sport", I have chosen street as it hasn't been raining, the raining setting reduces power to only 100bhp. There is another one I think for "off road". In street mode it is more than quick enough, I tend to short shift for my own preservation. To date one of the most impressive aspects is the roll on acceleration, 6th gear 50mph, twist the throttle and it sets off like it's in 2nd. The throttle settings can be set with different traction control settings and I assume wheely control. I've set them to "boring" in the menu. To summarise it has more than enough power and is civilised below 7.5k. Above that it is angry and scary.
I cannot begin to imagine what the 1290 is like.
Brakes, the 2 piston sliding Nissins on VFR discs were satifactory in 2001 on the Cagiva, the KTM comes with 4 piston radial Brembos with Brembo radial master cylinder on the front and a single Brembo on the rear with Galfer discs at both ends are quite astounding. It also has cornering/lean sensitive ABS. I haven't tried that yet or the lean sensitive traction control...
The suspension is electronicaly adjustable, one sets the preload by choosing what load the bike has, rider only, rider with luggage, rider with pillion and 2 up with luggage. Depending on your mood you can then choose between comfort, street, sport and off road. I enjoyed comfort on the Motorways as a magic carpet kind of ride and then switched to street for the twisy bits. I haven't tried sport or off road yet. All the adjustments can be made whilst riding. Even with a 19" front wheel the chassis is far more direct and agile than the Nail with it's 17" front, the previous owner fitted Roadsmart 3 tyres to replace the Conti TA2's.
The only issues so far are what we all have with bikes, the screen (adjustable) and the handlebars. I've ordered a pair of bar risers and I'll continue to faff with the screen, if that fails there is always a Givi Airflow. I was almost happy with the sound until I heard Nelson the Africa Twin again. Now an exhaust is on the list...
Do I need 150 bhp? No.
Do I want 150 bhp? Yes. :lala:
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Sounds like a barrel of laughs to me! Enjoy TLP, but please keep it shiny side up. Any plans on modifying the exhaust...?
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STRICT instructions no modifications, so I'll have to buy one then lol
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@TLPower like chalk and cheese.
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Sounds like the bike has all you want in performance terms, as it ought to, if you want it to really fly, traction control off, sport mode, it does make a difference, but you will want to cover the back brake in the first 3 gears...ahem... :thumb:
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:auto-dirtbike: :auto-dirtbike: lol
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Sounds like a great bike .. :thumb: I like KTMs alot but where I live you would be robbed at the traffic lights, if you escaped that , stolen within minutes of it being parked up .. sigh .. ????
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I know I commented on this bike in another thread already but to be fair, it's all I've talked about with other bike minded people at work today.
Just wow! It scared me :thumb:
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A brief update.
Having some time on my hands last Friday I removed the home made MRA screen affair I had on the Nail and stuck it on the KTM screen in about the same place. As I live quite close to the A1 I went for a quick run and it was superb, no buffeting and a fly free visor. I'll order some of the MRA brackets as my efforts are fairly horrible but they work.
One of my other issues was the stabbing pain between the shoulder blades, this was sorted with some 50mm rotating risers. The other issue of my right hand going to sleep was cured when I started riding with a slight bend to my elbows (I'm not a well man, but I never mention it..) I adjusted the bars to move slightly back allowing a slight elbow bend and this sorted it.
I changed the throttle mode to sport on Wurzel's insistence, far from killing me it actually makes the fuelling far more linear.
And fun.
I really enjoyed the 'bike on it's 1st decent run, it's super frugal the 1st top up took 3 gallons for 176 miles and even after some spirited riding the average was still showing 55mpg. Stunning.
Next on the shopping list is the KTM ergo seat as the standard one is rather uncomfortable.
I'll finish with scary part, as Wurzel had warned, when pressing on in 4th gear I hit a crest and all I could see was sky, I didn't do a thing other than let off the throttle, swear and it sorted itself out.
Now it needs a wash.
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Sounds like you are getting the bike sorted to suit you,sport mode does let it loft the front a bit more, traction control off and care is the order of the day...
They are surprisingly frugal on fuel for such potent machines, and KTM planks or sadles are the norm.
Try the ergo seat, but you might want to get yours sorted by one of the independent seat blokes.
Mine on the super Duke is bearable, but can give the old castanets a bit of a clattering!