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Other Stuff => The Blue Oyster bar => Topic started by: Brockett on November 23, 2018, 18:41:43
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But I laughed , just a bit.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/have/uk-england-london-46321715/thieves-knocked-off-mopeds-by-police-in-london
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About time to. The softly softly approach clearly isn't working. :crazy:
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I laughed lots. They warned of upsetting images, but not flashing lights :)
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:clap: :clap:
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About time Holmsey's lot pulled their finger out ;)
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Wait for the first scrote to bleat "human rights" when he gets gravel rash. Or the first grieving mother to say "he was no angel but he didn't deserve this".
They will have to be extremely careful about the exact circumstances when they do this. Today was about getting the message out to the toerags that they will do it. Let's see how often it actually happens.
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The link's not working for me all I get is 404 - Page not found
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Me too Graham :groan:
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Maybe there was a complaint already :smirk:
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Is this an update? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-46321720
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Now showing on the main news. Cheers FR :thumb:
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There are three cases with Police Complaints, none related to the special task force.
I'll volunteer to sit on that Jury. Is guilty or not guilty the only choice though? Can a jury recommend the newly discharged accused be given a medal and a hundred quids worth of Krispy Kreme vouchers?
Andy
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Most of them are running off after, obviously not being hit hard enough.... :old:
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Surely the James Bond car tech can by now be incorporated into police cars? Small heat-seeking missiles, spikes springing forth from the hubs etc :shrug:
Failing that give every cop a gun. What could possibly go wrong?
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Link not working for me either :icon_no:
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To those struggling with the link, the story and video is on the BBC news site.
It's worth a watch just for the pond scum leaping to their feet with an expression akin to asking the Police if they knew the rules to the pursuit game.
They actually looked shocked that they should have been challenged.
I'll be on the jury as well, I have a black wig.
And a chest freezer.
And a wood chipper.
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:thumb: If you need a hand let me know TLP. :icon_batterup:
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I watched the clip. I now understand the concept of "job satisfaction"...
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The comments at the bottom are welcoming other than a couple of hand ringers.
https://twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/1065942786254561280?s=19
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Some great comments & it's good to see so many in favour! :thumb:
Sad thing is, I think the minority (snowflakes) will shout louder than the rest of us, get their way and it will be stopped.
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I'll be on the jury as well, I have a black wig.
lol
While I do agree with this tactical contact stuff, there are genuine risks/issues involved, worth discussing.
(Prepares to be called names: lib-tard, snowflake, hand-wringer, cupcake....whatever :dl_smiley_banghead: )
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I have a novel idea. Do not steal other peoples stuff, do not ride around and steal peoples stuff, do not ride around without a licence, insurance etc.
If you insist on these actions be prepared to be stopped in a manner that will cause discomfort and alarm. Though doubtfully not as much as you have heaped upon your victim(s).
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:text-goodpost:
It really is as simple as that!
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To those struggling with the link, the story and video is on the BBC news site
Problem's caused by the dreaded autocorrect again - you need to change "have" back to "a v" (with no space between those letters) in the posted link :dl_smiley_banghead:
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A victim of crime can suffer the effects for the rest of their lives. Elderly folk being robbed in the street may never feel like going out again. A relative has had two scooters stolen from her front garden. When her only transport to a shift work job goes missing and is later found burnt out in the woods, she can't get to work, earn money and keep her kids. Has to get a cab and that isn't cheap. Family and friends crowd funded the deposit on another bike which despite locks and chains "went to the woods" a few months later. Same crooks / vandals ... I think so. If traced and convicted should they suffer the cane or the whip? Yes and it must be in public. Is that hard? No there are thousands of the little shits and only severe punishment will instill the respect and fear their careless parents neglected to teach them.
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Feck 'em. Run the scumbags over and then reverse just to make sure!
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I second fatrat.
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All captured bike thieves should be given hypnotherapy so when they go near a bike they are violently sick :-x
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I fear I have to disagree with there kwackboy. I'm one of those soppy people that starts heaving when he hears somebody else heaving. The same thing happens when I smell vomit.
Involuntary bowel voiding on their part would be an acceptable alternative with a roll of Izal.
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Problem's caused by the dreaded autocorrect again
Not really, the root cause is people typing like illiterate morons, the auto-correct is merely a symptom.
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Stasi ! :icon_wink:
Hmm, like I said, gents and ladies, personally I'm glad they've given law-enforcement the tools to physically knock the horrible scrotes off their scooters, but the issues include the almost-inevitable death, when one of 'em slides along the road until decapped by road signage/lamp-post; worse still, some poor innocent fecker on his way back from his deliveroo job gets the same treatment because of error. Just trying to see ahead here. I might not believe in the policy so much if that happens. :stirpot:
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:text-goodpost:
I'm with Gassoon on this. No sympathy for the little darlings, but it could see our claims companies wading in and Police being hounded for doing what we all want them to do. Great care is needed. No doubt Holmsey will give his slant on this when he's finished bolting the snowplough on the front of zed victor one.
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Have many likes Rusty for the reminder of Z-Victor 1. :lala:
I used to sing my own made up theme song using the original tune when I was on our garden swing in the swinging 60's.
Imagine if you can the Z Cars theme tune with the incisive lyrics of,
Z Car music, Z Car music, Z Car music, Z car music, Z Car music......
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If they weren’t doing the crime,they wouldn’t have to do the time(so to speak).I still think any means of stopping them is good,as they use any means they can to nick bikes/phones etc.
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These are very violent people, prepared to use hammers, knives, acid and on occasion firearms to steal paltry things like phones, watches etc.
They will not stop under any circumstances, knocking them off is about the only way of catching them, hit them hard I say.
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Have many likes Rusty
I have now added a Like button :smirk:
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:shock: NO-o-oooooooooooo !
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Obviously I'm in favour of this bit it is still unclear what protection the officer will get when it goes serious.
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I understand the concern, in a backward country like ours, run by the snowflakes, we have seen Soldiers being taken to court for killing the enemy :crazy:
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Its got to be full, complete and utter protection and backup, or who would risk the claim / sack / prosecute brigades whingeing and clamouring. It will inevitably be tested, probably quite soon. You've got the public vote.
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Manchester police have a different approach.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=14&v=2Hg-YJ7t5BY
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I can see Gasson’s point of view and feel the snowflakes will have their say and get this tactic stopped.
I’ve seen this article on several pages and forums and no one has said the little sheets don’t deserve it but accept that the lobby for forgiveness and understanding will wade in with their powerful voices.
It will take a specific exemption in the Road Traffic Act for trained officers to use this tactic and that exemption would have to include ‘reasonable suspicion’ to cover genuine mistakes.
As with many things it is up to the reasonable majority to demand that our Police officers are given these powers and lawful exemptions to fight this scum but unfortunately that majority don’t shout as loudly or as vociferously as the little sheets protectors.
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Coming soon to a police car near you
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lol
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lol :clap: Does the driver now rate as an "ace"?!
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"Blue Max" if he uses a BMW.
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lol
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lol :lala:
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It will take a specific exemption in the Road Traffic Act for trained officers to use this tactic
But they are using it already; apparently 63 of the little bastards have been decked since October 2017 without any suffering major injury. Presumably this success is why the Met have only just gone public with it; if there had been half a dozen potatoed or dead scrotes over that period then the policy would have been quietly shelved.
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My worry is that people make mistakes and that includes the polis. Be careful what you wish for.
MyStrom.
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My wish is that more of the thieving bastards get caught by whatever means possible in order that the law abiding citizens among us can walk the streets of our towns & cities or park our vehicles without thought of some scrote robbing us or stealing our bikes & cars!
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It depends on what you mean by mistake. I don't see a down side, whatever happens to the scumbags is fair game and fine by me. As long as the old bill are protected from the hand wringers, I say flatten as many as they can by whatever means and with any outcome.
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Heart warming to see these little "Rodents" get what's coming to them :thumb:.......should have a squad of "Mad Max" type officers to deal with this problem and throw the rule book in the bin!
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I like that idea, do you think we can volunteer to help. :auto-dirtbike: :violence-smack:
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My fear is that an innocent rider will be the casualty or heaven forefend the first death due to this method. Is that a price you would be happy to pay?
MyStrom
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I am confident the police will take every care to minimise the harm done by any contact. They do not just charge into and tip off, any old scooterist. They only pursue those that refuse to stop and evade capture.
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The problem in this country, is there is no deterrent whatsoever. These human filth can go about their daily lives ruining other peoples lives in the full knowledge that sod all will happen to them. Human rights and limp wristed Liberals, I just like to say a big THANK YOU, for helping to get the society we have today. You've done a wonderful job.
About 35+ years ago now, there was a house in the east end of London that got broken into.
The next morning everything was returned, with a note saying " Sorry we didn't know".
The house that they broke into, the owner was a personal friend of the Kray Twins.
Another time a young thieving scum stole loads of beers from a garden shed, again big mistake, as the Krays paid him a visit, and left him in no uncertain terms that what he'd done was a no no. Strangely, he never did anything like that again, I wonder why. Proof, if proof were needed, that deterrents do work.
Good for the Police, lets hope they continue to get the full support that they need to keep us safe from the dregs of the society we now have amongst us.
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I agree there's something wrong with deterrence here, and agree 'good for the police' with these actions :thumb: but, there have to be sensible limits, checks and balances on their powers and activities, or we will all end up being ruled by the equivalent of the Kray twins! :shock: We have to figure out what price we are willing to pay as a society for this sort of action: there are risks involved, mistakes do happen at speed (scooter and rider take a tumble, scooter slides onto pavement, kills a 4 year old bairn etc etc). Having said that, some folk possibly don't care as long as the innocent is not a relative of theirs :shrug:
I don't have any more answers, except a feeling that swinging from the liberal end of justice to the other extreme would be a mistake; we need to be somewhere between. :shrug:
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Personally I think that MUCH,MUCH,stronger sentencing would help.Most of the perpetrators only get community service(Is that an Americanism).If they had a minimum of 12 months without remand it might make them think twice.Hold on, we would have to build a few more prisons, = more builders working,more prison staff,a good thing all round maybe ?
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Make them build the prisons! No pay, but they get trained in useful skills (bricklaying, drains, plastering, decorating - even locksmithing (er, maybe not that...) so getting rehabilitated to become future useful citizens as well !
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...or chain gangs. Make the bastards work for their bread and water.
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Re-open the coal mines, drop them in,make them produce to get fed.
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Nice idea people but there are too many Snowflake Lefties to ever let that happen ...... 2 years and 136 days until I stop giving a shite
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Maybe is It's people like this twat that make police not care. I mean come on ... How has this "jaba the hut" got a job . ?
I may post this in the bad jokes section also .????
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That woman gets everything wrong.
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We should punish the little shits by making them own "the Nail" for a fortnight
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MartinW, I'm all for just punishment but that is just cruel.
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"Dear Ms. Abbot,
We already have tpac type tactics for 4 wheeled criminals. That must be legal. Why not extend it to 2 wheelers, and, if they become a problem, unicyclists and rollerskaters?"
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Think about your last post Rusty, how the hell do you expect poor Diane to understand a sentence containing words and numbers... :violence-smack:
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Tpac is a bit more controlled and gentle. No, I much prefer the battering ram approach. Visually more gratifying.
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Don't get me started on those bloody unicyclists ### Never wear High-viz, just red noses, and clown shoes. The worst ones are the filterers who do it while juggling ffs
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I'm torn on this one. All in favour of running over thieving scrotes, but I know West Yorkshire plod just aren't clever enough to tell the difference between a stolen scooter and their own mates on hi-vizzed BMW's with blue lights. The rest of us in between are at risk. It'll be the yokel here or in South Yorks that kill a paramedic or blood biker and get the tactic banned. See how it goes and hope the Met contain it though IMHO.
Andy
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Two things - first, presumably this tactic isn't simply going to be rolled out country-wide so that every copper behind the wheel of a car will be shunting every dodgy-looking rider off his bike. It's only going to be specifically highly-trained drivers, in areas where this sort of moped is rife, like London. Secondly, it's not even a solution for "all" bike-related crime - it's to stop particular hoodlums who are refusing to stop when told to and are obviously trying to outrun the police. There's an easy solution available if they don't want to be tipped off, no?
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specifically highly-trained drivers
This is the sort of phrase that worries me :icon_wink: We've had officers 'highly-trained' in all manner of interventions, weapons, high speed pursuit (or whatever its called) tasers etc, and I'm sure they are - but errors still occur, bad choices are made. This is not blaming the police, just human nature and the nature of the situation. We shouldn't deny that there is risk involved, just assess those risks honestly and upfront :shrug:
Anyway, something had to be tried, the policy is in place and appears to be working :happydance:, lets hope nee bugger gets hurt who shouldn't be, police officers are protected, and the criminals are dealt with by the legal processes.
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I hear that the Met have added some basic upgrades to their vehicles to deal with the odd Moped collision. Ealy testing has been encouraging.
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lol Officer M. Max!
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This is the sort of phrase that worries me
Agree absolutely. It was presumably "highly trained" police officers that shot dead Jean Charles de Menezes...
While looking 'tough on crime' is great tub-thumping for the masses, the reality is far more nuanced.
And that's not to trying to condone little darlings twocking one's moped...
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"Highly trained" officers?? I was told by a plod at our local office (now effectively closed due to cuts) that police drivers have "faster reactions" than normal drivers when I made a complaint about the outrageous driving I and other members of the public witnessed one evening. When I asked to speak with the officer in charge at the station they hung up on me. I worked with the wife of an officer based at the station in question and the next day she told me in no uncertain terms not to chase it or I would end up getting harassed. This really reinforced my negative view of the police force in general.
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Been through this mill twice but in different directions.
Few years back the wife was robbed outside our hotel in Paris. Two lads mounted footpath on a stolen scooter. Grabbed her shoulder bag which pulled her over and dragged her down the pavement until she had no option but to let go. Not nice. I was about 100 yards along the footpath in the direction they were traveling. My kids stepping out of the car, me standing in the gap between hotel wall and car. Trees and other parked cars meant they had no option but to come past me. Split second decisions required so was simply hoping to grab the bag back but it was switched to the other side of the riders as soon as they realised I was stepping over to challenge them. All I managed was to land the rider a heavy blow the chest and a knee into his hip which knocked them off course in the opposite direction to my kids and car. After glancing off the hotel wall and just staying on the scooter they were able to ride off just slightly faster than I could run so got away. Lad on the back holding the bag over the number plate. They were well practiced.
French police were fantastic. The hotel had cameras and the police said I was lucky to have not knocked them off as they would probably have knives or worse. And If they didn't I might have been facing a charge for knocking them off. The four of us treated like VIP guests in the most amazing police station and given a full report they knew I would need to sort the insurance once home.
About a year later my sons bike was nicked from his mates drive. The local community officer came next day and took a statement (well details of the incident). Six weeks later the local police station rang to say they had caught the thief and asked if we could go in to give further details. Turns out they had caught him with the bike as he was coming out of a shop he was trying to rob and jumped on the stolen bike to escape. He was a known crook and had a string of previous attempts at prosecution but they never managed to put him away. Including nicking the chief inspectors wifes soft top from outside the police station. Not sure they should have told us that lot but... Turns out the details collected by community officers is not any use in court so they were hoping to take the thief back in with more concrete evidence and statement from us.
I asked the officer where the bike was and when they arrested him - it had all happened six weeks earlier. The bike had been at the recovery yard six weeks but no one bothered to tell us. And it was only that they were doing their best to make a strong case against the thief that they had even bothered to make contact with us. Assumed we would have claimed on the insurance and been happy.
Now to the point - which I do most of the time. The lads bike is marked as stolen on the police systems. We kept daring each other to go out for a ride on it and see if we were challenged by a "highly trained" officer. Thankfully we live in a nice quiet rural area so fairly safe. And we are nice quiet rural people. Lets hope the lad who bought it is as lucky.
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This is from another forum that I'm on.
I have no way of knowing if this is true or not, but here it is.
This is a copy of an email purportedly sent to a D Abbott by a serving Police officer -
The officer, who’s name is deleted, draws Ms Abbott’s attention to Section 3 of the Criminal Law act 1967 which states: ‘A person may use such force as is reasonable in the circumstances in the prevention of crime, or in effecting or assisting in the lawful arrest of offenders or suspected offenders or of persons unlawfully at large’, effectively putting to bed her comment that the police are not above the law.
Is it just me or should the Shadow Home Secretary, who's job is to scrutinise government policy on home affairs including policing and the criminal justice system, already know this??
Anyhow, here’s the email transcript in full:
Dear Ms Abbott,
I hope you are able to read this email yourself as I think it’s something that may assist you, and more importantly the Labour Party.
I wish to discuss your social media comment which has been quoted as “Knocking people off bikes is potentially very dangerous. It shouldn’t be legal for anyone. Police are not above the law”
I wish to address your unconsidered remarks.
1. Agreed. Knocking people off of bikes is potentially very dangerous. That risk is balanced off of the strength and evidence of what these thugs have done. Having worked in a busy London Borough as a Response Officer I feel more knowledgeable than you in regard to my job. These people, usually gang members steal these mopeds and motor bikes. They then go on to perform many awful and serious crimes on these stolen bikes. The vehicles will not be insured, the riders will not have the correct licence to ride them and also have NO regard for the safety of those whom they terrorise on a daily basis. If stopping them leads to potential danger, then I believe this is a worthwhile pursuit. Stop for Police when requested to do so and you won’t be nudged off by the Police. It’s really that simple.
2. “It shouldn’t be legal for anyone” I would like to bring to your attention To Common Law Powers which include Section 3 of the Criminal Law act 1967. This enables ANY person to use such force as is necessary in arresting or assisting the arrest of a criminal. Despite your best wishes it is legal for EVERYONE.
3. “Police are not above the law” Erm… well this is awkward seeing as you’re the current Shadow Home Secretary. Police Officers actually ARE above some laws. We have exemptions to do things which non-warranted members of the public are unable to do. This includes driving at over the speed limit, using blue lights on a vehicle, using a hand-held mobile device while driving, not wearing a seat belt, driving through red lights, arresting people, using Section 117 PACE to use powers which are all above what’s known as ‘Law’ to other people. We have powers that mean we can look into and down load mobile phones. We can enter someone’s house without permission and not be breaking the law. Police ARE above the law. Not all of them but we do have powers above non-warranted civilians. Oh, and let’s not forget we can park on yellow lines. In fact, we can block and close a whole motorway if we deem it necessary.
Your anti Police rhetoric has gone on for decades. I recently emailed Mr Corbyn stating that your current role as Shadow Home Secretary is putting a lot of Police Officers at odds of voting for labour in the upcoming election. I received a reply which must have been for someone else as in true politicians’ style it’s appeared to answer someone else’s question and not the one I posed.
You appear to be ignorant to the role of Police Officer and don’t seem to have any wish, professionally or personally to seek out advice from Police Officers before fixing your colours to the mast.
Us Police Officers have worked VERY hard over this last decade with a pay cut in real terms. Our numbers have been slashed and we now carry a heavier burden than ever before. We are proud people. We save lives. We also change lives. We shape our communities by locking up dangerous criminals. We do this because we care. A criminal on a moped? Oh, we will love taking them off of the streets and locking them up. The public are safer and much better off if we are allowed to do our jobs.
If you don’t like the Police (and I have so much evidence that you are anti Police) then become the change you would like to see. Become a special Constable or a PCSO and see how the other half live.
Just stop with the hatred. We don’t need to be battered by the current Home Secretary AND the Shadow Home Secretary.
Yours,
PC ‘name removed’
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No politics please. Your last paragraph has been deleted.
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Understood :thumb:
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All this snowflake shiyt is really getting to me. (I'm 33 so right in snowflake age range too)
FFS we now live in a country (world) where I can't call someone a prick when they are being a prick for fear of prosecution. God forbid I call someone a stupid woman!
If the fact that these little shits on scooters will likely get rammed off, injured turned into a vegetable or killed doesn't disuade them from a life of crime then the decision is theirs to make.
The more of them that are maimed or killed will just reduce the cost for the law abiding tax payers... no court cases (or Police officer prosecutions), no wasted police time looking for the little barsteward when he doesn't turn up to court, no baristers fees, more space in the jails and the finacial saving there of. Then comes the cost for the rest of the offences the jailbirds are likely to commit over their lifespan.
Really a few high profile major injuries/ deaths may make them think twice... then again these are the same idiots that stab eachother for being on the wrong street WTF!
The police should have the right take action to make a stop by raming- stopping dead the pottential endangerment of others.
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You forgot the cost of the state benefits, Mr diver. :thumb: