don't buy the "New" Vango Turini. I bought one and it's nowhere near as good as the old one. I thought they had just changed the name but no, they had cut costs as well. Fibreglass poles add weight, the groundsheet is cheap and heavy, and the pack size is even bigger. Made a right arse of myself buying it but I suppose it will come in handy if we ever go camping in the car. Sigh. So its back to the Banshee 300 with an added flysheet for us. Sigh.