Stromgeeza, I never said all football fans were the same. And the bloodbath at Wimbledon when Brits lose, and the carnage at the Leeds International Piano Festival - just as bad. The seemimgly unbreakable links between football, tribal thuggery, alcohol and racism are real, and obvious, and the way the whole country has to defer to "the footy" whenever it is on sickens me. Plus, the game itself is crap.