Suzuki V-Strom (VStrom) Owners Club DL250, DL650, DL1000 & DL1050

Oily Rag - Dedicated to Pat, Greywolf. 26/06/45 - 04/06/18 => Screens => Topic started by: Rusty Nuts on May 11, 2014, 18:54:52

Title: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: Rusty Nuts on May 11, 2014, 18:54:52
It's on a shelf in my spare bedroom!
Went out today without screen as recommended by one or two on here, and it's miles less of a nuisance. The air  is "cleaner", smoother without the eyeball-jarring vibes. A bit noisier, but earplugs'll take care of that. Ages ago, Drew3 was going to cut a screen down, and Jacko was looking for a spare screen to [s:2jmegbc1]cock up[/s:2jmegbc1]  adapt.
Has anybody tried going smaller / smarter with screens, rather than bigger / wider? I know the Airflow's a clever one with it's channel of air between the two sections, just wondering if a small spoiler / wing / allula type thing might have a similar effect if mounted right down by the top of the fairing? I also suspect the well nut type of mounting may add to the vibes and buffeting when magnified over the area of the screen, has anybody looked into a solid mounting system?
Title: Re: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: RichyB on May 11, 2014, 19:04:16
I like the stock screen and have no issues with it, but ear plugs? Nah......
Title: Re: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: Rusty Nuts on May 11, 2014, 20:14:33
I avoided ear plugs for over thirty years, riding open faced with completely open pipes on a CBX 6 and a VN 1500, but as I get older I appreciate how fatiguing noise can be on a journey. Ear plugs work. You just have to keep an eye on your speed until you get used to them.
Title: Re: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: Jay2 on May 12, 2014, 21:35:30
There is the so-called 'sport' V-Strom screen, if your after something smaller.
Title: Re: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: Hilldweller on May 12, 2014, 21:49:24
Quote from: "RichyB"
I like the stock screen and have no issues with it,...

You keep saying this.

Just about the only person on the planet who is though.
Title: Re: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: tallpaul on May 12, 2014, 22:04:57
Quote from: "Hilldweller"
Quote from: "RichyB"
I like the stock screen and have no issues with it,...

You keep saying this.

Just about the only person on the planet who is though.
Do I detect a hint of jealousy?! If it's any consolation I'm still having issues with my new screen but it is higher up the speed range than with the standard screen! Just think of it this way, buggering about with screens is all part of the Vstrom ownership experience and poor RichyB is missing out! Lucky fella...
Title: Re: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: Hilldweller on May 12, 2014, 22:13:51
Quote from: "tallpaul"
Do I detect a hint of jealousy?!

No, surprise.

Maybe he is exactly the same build as the jappy chappy they used when designing the bike.

I'm still on the stock screen and madstat. Not got the heart to keep throwing money at screens with no certainty it will work.

Anyway, the bike is in it's element round the back lanes way below the buffeting speed.
Title: Re: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: SausagesDad on May 13, 2014, 08:12:45
Although I'm a bit reluctant to admit it I have no problem with the stock screen and mirrors.  Maybe because I have less to compare to than those of you who've ridden lots of other bikes but I don't seem to suffer from the problems most describe. I'm 5'11" and fairly sturdily built.
Title: Re: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: UK_Vstrom650 on May 13, 2014, 12:23:11
I had no buffetting issues from the stock screen/mirrors either however I did get a lot of wind noise from the screen which I eventually got fed up with. Just put an Airflow on which has solved the problem.

I also liked the stock mirrors (albeit they're ugly) but I managed to scratch the plastic on one of them and the Aprilla ones were cheaper than a single stock replacement.
Title: Re: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: Oop North John on May 13, 2014, 12:25:54
Quote from: "UK_Vstrom650"
I had no buffetting issues from the stock screen/mirrors either however I did get a lot of wind noise from the screen which I eventually got fed up with. Just put an Airflow on which has solved the problem.

Me too, there seems to be a lot of words written about buffeting, and money spent trying to solve it.
Title: Re: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: RichyB on May 13, 2014, 19:37:12
Quote from: "Hilldweller"
Quote from: "RichyB"
I like the stock screen and have no issues with it,...

You keep saying this.

Just about the only person on the planet who is though.
Well, that's simply not true is it?

An opinion which, doubtless pi**es you off. It's mine, however, and I'm entitled to it  :neen:

Riding, what some say, proper motorcycles for many years without any wind protection - this screen is fabulous. See, I said it again  :grin:

You no like? Change it. For me? Perfection personified.
Title: Re: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: Gizmo on June 14, 2014, 19:11:23
I sorted my buffeting out today and for me smaller turned out to be better.

First I tried a 22 inch tall touring screen, but after hours of experimentation with settings all I was left with was double vision and a headache thanks to continued buffeting at anything over 100km/h.

So I decided to do the exact opposite - I put back my original screen, but used the Madstad bracket to set it low and well-angled towards the cockpit. Problem solved.

it seems to me that the cowling and screen design of the standard set-up is the perfect design for buffetting and that Suzuki should spend a few hours with their bikes in a wind tunnel.

My recommendation for a turbulence free ride would be to either -

1. Ride it without a screen, or
2. Fit a low sport screen, or
3. Use a Madstad bracket to turn your standard screen into a sportscreen, or
4. If you have the fabrication skills to build a cover for the cowling and the side channels with an integrated screen. Look at a late model KLR 650 to see what I mean.

it is different for everyone, but I have resolved my buffeting by going smaller and sharper angled. For the first time I can now enjoy my bike without my eyeballs bouncing around.
Title: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: Jacko on June 14, 2014, 19:27:09
Quote from: "Rusty Nuts"
It's on a shelf in my spare bedroom!
Went out today without screen as recommended by one or two on here, and it's miles less of a nuisance. The air  is "cleaner", smoother without the eyeball-jarring vibes. A bit noisier, but earplugs'll take care of that. Ages ago, Drew3 was going to cut a screen down, and Jacko was looking for a spare screen to [s:48widy0a]cock up[/s:48widy0a]  adapt.

Yup, the screen creates the problem, remove it and it's gone. A big vertical object right at the front of a moving object isn't conducive to good aerodynamics.  Low sports screens, as on my other bike and the bike I traded in for the Glee, left nothing but clean, undisturbed air above shoulder height.

I'm still after a cheap stock Glee screen to cock up if you fancy selling me it RN...
Title: Re: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: Rusty Nuts on June 14, 2014, 20:31:10
It's now carefully wrapped in the bubble wrap and box that the Airflow came in. To put back on when I part company with the Glee. Surely somebody's so disenchanted with the stock one that they'd flog you one for research purposes?
Title: Re: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: awicks on June 14, 2014, 20:42:37
I have spent hours today playing with my screen/mirror setup and have concluded that the buffeting does come from the screen as I spent most of my testing today without the mirrors on the bike and I was still suffering buffeting.

I have ended up with standard mirrors and my airflow screen on a palmer bracket. I am not entirely happy with it, but it's the best I can come up with at the moment
Title: Re: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: Shrek on August 29, 2014, 19:46:03
Two weeks into V Strom ownership, loving it so far but having buffetting probs above 90mph (I'm 6'6"), have put standard screen on highest setting, but having read this I'm going to try it on the lowest...
Title: Re: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: Juvecu on August 29, 2014, 22:09:12
On a private road then?
Title: Re: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: Holmsey on August 29, 2014, 22:48:50
Quote from: "Shrek"
but having buffetting problem above 90mph (I'm 6'6"), have put standard screen on highest setting, but having read this I'm going to try it on the lowest...

 :shock:

Is that a significant statement ?   ......... Please sign here sir


I am sure you meant 90 KPH  :grin:
Title: Re: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: willbo on August 29, 2014, 23:07:25
Madstad and mirror extenders solved my issues in all the screens I tried. I tried a small screen, just adjusted the madstad until I got nice clean air. With a givi tall screen adjusted the angle until I was in a pocket of calm.

saying that, I now use a givi airflow on the lowest setting and its perfect. I can see clearly over the screen, air hits the top of my helmet but no buffeting, so the open lid vent keeps me cool.

I have noticed that the bike also feels better to me in the high north Wales winds with the airflow and madstad combination. I had the madstad off for a few days while I repainted it and the front end didn't feel the same for me
Title: Re: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: SausagesDad on August 30, 2014, 08:22:14
Holmsey: pot, kettle, black. Stop it.
Title: Re: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: tallpaul on August 30, 2014, 08:42:15
lol
Title: Re: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: Holmsey on August 30, 2014, 09:22:16
Quote from: "SausagesDad"
Holmsey: pot, kettle, black. Stop it.

No points on my licence  :shy:  lol
Title: Re: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: jonyboy247 on November 11, 2014, 17:03:24
I use the susuki 'sport' screen with a cheap deflector/spolier I picked up of ebay for cheap. Also took off the standard mirrors in favour of some smaller bar end mirrors. no more buffeting or wind noise. looks pretty good to!
Never tried the standard screen as when I bough the bike, it didn't have one (2nd hand) . it did come with a massive givi screen which was terrible. kept the elements off, but double vision and headaches where an every ride occurance!
oh, its a 2008 650. I'm 6ft give or take. use a caberg duke.
Title: Re: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: Tedsshed on September 30, 2019, 09:44:55
Picked up my new Strom yesterday and very happy I am too, the first thing I did after returning from riding it for the first time was remove the screen, in fact the dealer I purchased it from allowed me to do this on the demo model, much nicer ride without the screen, looks good to.
I've just purchased a OEM screen from eBay, I shall cut it down in stages and report back once its been reduced to the point of no turbulence.
But for now I'm with Rustynuts, the best position for the screen is on a shelf in the shed.
Title: Re: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: porter on September 30, 2019, 11:48:54
Looks good, like the blue. Next thing to join that screen on the shelf should be the ugly exhaust can!
Ps the smaller MRA screen looks good and works OK too.
Title: Re: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: Tedsshed on September 30, 2019, 14:00:48
Couldn't agree more regarding the silencer, I'll replace it, I'm currently looking for something that will not be to loud. 
Title: Re: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: porter on September 30, 2019, 16:53:51
I've  a Remus on mine, with the baffle left in its quiet.
Title: Re: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: Tedsshed on September 30, 2019, 17:36:09
Appreciate the tip thank you.
Title: Re: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: Jez6640 on October 01, 2019, 20:01:38
Can anyone advise me the best place to get a madstad bracket please.
Title: Re: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: Rusty Nuts on October 01, 2019, 20:03:47
Bikehps are UK agents. They also sell screens, if you want one.
Title: Re: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: sjrainsford on October 02, 2019, 07:41:08
Palmer products also make a similar style bracket.  They list it as for a 650 pre 2011.  But (and someone please correct me) I believe the 650 and 1000 of that vintage had the same screen mounts.
http://palmerproducts.co.uk/
Title: Re: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: Rusty Nuts on October 02, 2019, 07:54:41
Palmers version is less expensive, but has nothing like the amount of variation or adjustment as the Madstad.
Title: Re: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: mrp192 on October 02, 2019, 18:43:40
I think this is a very subjective argument, with so many variables, that there isn’t probably one answer to suit everyone. It depends on expectations and one rider’s idea of excessive buffeting will be entirely different from another’s.
I am Mr Average, (5’10”, 11.5 st), and my 2015 Glee came with the Suzuki accessory ‘touring’ screen with the extra spoiler near the top.
I raised it up to the higher position by accident, when I removed it to clean behind it and put it back higher!
But from new I’ve never noticed any extreme buffeting or excessive wind noise from this set up, based on my idea of what is acceptable.

Title: Re: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: Tedsshed on October 06, 2019, 14:32:39
So my stock (second hand) screen has arrived and I've been busy with the Jigsaw. I've cut it down to an overall height of 200mm, and mounted it to the standard Suzuki brackets. This is a huge improvement over the standard length screen (I'm 6'1"), however there is still some turbulence and its not as quiet as when the screen is removed completely.
The next step was to raise the front of the screen by 20mm see image 135939 again a great improvement, it has moved the bulk of the wind blast to chin level, I'v ordered the tall seat which should be with me Tuesday of next week, the extra 35mm of seat height could be enough to raise my head into clean air, I'm not going to play with the screen any further until that arrives, will keep you posted.   
Title: Re: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: TLPower on October 06, 2019, 18:02:03
 :thumb: top work.

Now tell me about the Monaro  :eusa-doh:
Title: Re: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: Tedsshed on October 06, 2019, 19:33:09
Haha, it was an itch that required scratching about two years ago, I wasn't intending to keep it long, but it just keeps itching and I love scratching it. Its standard other that a stage one exhaust and a map to suite...
Title: Re: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: TLPower on October 06, 2019, 20:07:02
 :lala: I do love an LS motor. :)
Title: Re: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: Rusty Nuts on October 06, 2019, 20:33:56
There's a Holden VXR thingy on my round. Same/similar?
Title: Re: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: TLPower on October 07, 2019, 05:22:39
Same thing but with an owner who doesn't want to identify as a Vauxhall. The later 4 door models were sold as Vauxhall VXR8's.

Title: Re: Perfect position for stock screen
Post by: R1200GSA on November 21, 2019, 14:47:12
We have two DL1000`s one with stock screen, one with a Puig taller one.

No problems with either and both screens have been on one of the bikes that has a lowered seat.  One rider 6`2" the other 5`9"