20 is plenty in Wales

[The Doctor 46]

Joe. Ref: Personally I consider your last sentence totally inappropriate "asking the Internet" for a non qualified question to which you don't agree with the answer either.

You have all my respect Doc but I can't agree with you here.

Can't you see a sarcastic joke when you see it. When I ride my main goal is to stay alive and not hurt anyone. Second goal is to ride with a smile on my face. I also don't take life too serious, it's too short. If I have upset you then one day, if we meet, I'll respectfully buy you a pint and apologise but until then, sorry. 

[Sea-Strom]

Right, we have established that there are some sensible bikers on this forum - well done chaps  . OK just for the record are there any more on here who like to be a bit naughty sometimes ?......just checking 

[nigel s]

I have no problem with 20s but.
Speeding 7th.

[Upt North]

It'd be interesting to know how they determined that % of drivers/riders were exceeding the speed limit at the time of a RTC? I'm guessing they're guessing.

[StromGeeza]

Number 3 includes driver/rider in a hurry...

[StromGeeza]

Number 9 'too fast for conditions'...

[Barbel Mick]

Number 2 'driver failed to judge other persons path or speed'?
Maybe one of the vehicles was within 'the speed limit' but was the other?
Add all the above together & speed becomes number 1 in one form or another? 

[Rixington43]

That list perfectly highlights the difference between 2 very similar phrases;
"Accidents in which speed is a factor" (That's all of them as presumably they would all be avoided if everyone was stationary  )
"Accidents in which SpeedING is a factor".

Assuming those stats are in any way accurate, lowering speed limits will do less to reduce the total number of accidents than to reduce the severity of those accidents which already occur as a result of all the non-speeding related factors.
It's back to the question of what level of risk is deemed acceptable when talking about humans whizzing around in 2 ton hunks of metal. Assuming we all accept that 'zero risk' is not an attainable target.

I'm not suggesting I have an answer btw, other than perhaps targeting these reductions would be a more popular and more easily explained approach than the current, rather poorly communicated, sledgehammers and nuts scenario.

[Joe Rocket]

Hello Doc! Yes, I know you saw it as silly. However, asking the Internet is not going to get truth.

As for that beer, then yes. .....and no apology, I'm not upset. Healthy debate heh? 

[2112]

It's nice to see no 'busting for a dump' accidents on the list, talk about adding insult to injury...

[Rusty Nuts]

Has anyone read "The Flying King" by Terry Jones?

[Hugo Magnus]

I find I am very much more awake and 'in the moment' when I'm hooning (on private land) than when I'm bored to tears in slow moving traffic.

[porter]

Over the years I think I've crashed in all 10 of those most common accidents, sometimes more than once!

[mr_diver]

I don't see stopped and dropped on that list 

[Sea-Strom]

For those who don't live in Wales and think 20 might be a good idea - come to Swansea and ride the route I did today with top box containing frozen fish.....my normal 15 minute trip from Morrisons to home took me 1/2 an hour cos of the new jams and some 15mph drivers. Mind, the cyclists thought it was great! Would have taken 45 in the car but thanks to my trusty DL1050 and some pretty careful filtering as usual I managed to slip between the crawlers and get my not too soggy load home! It is definitely not good news for buses, taxis, car commuters, emergency vehicles, commercial vehicles etc and on the bike you tend to wing it when you can - not the idea but you know how it is fellow  
No, you can quote statistics all day long about causes of accidents etc but take it from me '20 is not plenty in Wales.'

The safety statistics are open to debate but for most road users it's a retrograde step. To me it's a sledgehammer to crack a walnut which is why for the majority of the UK - 30 is plenty! Schools and busy streets I'm OK with if we have to have 20. My advice to pedestrians is stay on the pavement and cross when the green man tells you.

[pichulec]

And they want to reach net zero, good luck. Slower traffic, more traffic jams, more idling, more pollution. Also, lower speed limit will encourage people crossing the roads in front of cars, therefore more accidents instead of less. Seriously stupid idea. I don't mind 20 in front of schools but the rest I silly....

[user650]

'Seatbelts are compulsory and anyone even thinking of not using one is a certifiable moron', also 'you should take the bus which is essentially a shipping container full of scaffold poles with no seatbelts being driven by a complete stranger at the end of a long shift'.

A highly trained professional "complete stranger" who drives all his shift not just the end bit.

[Rixington43]

Sorry, I didn't mean to disparage bus drivers, that was unfair.
I guess I meant that they're asked to drive long shifts by the very people who want you to use the bus. I communicated that very badly, point taken.

[user650]

 

[Rusty Nuts]

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